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Re: Porsche Mission E...the future of Porsche?
I like the design lines, but think it is a bit too busy with information overload and the art of making things more complicated than necessary. Center screen will probably be suffering from reflections and glare, but I agree that it looks good on static studio pictures without fingerprints 
Zero buttons on the center console is interesting...
Aug 23, 2019 11:57:17 AM
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m4ever:Glass cockpit , looks really great. Lots of sources of distraction (from driving) though.
The mayor distraction I see is the driver having to turn his attention from driving and the road to be able to hit the tactile screen buttons on the console and dash for everything, unlike physical buttons which you can feel without looking and not accidentally activate with the touch, especially while driving and the body/hand moving up and down.
It is ironic that just operating the GPS navigation on a phone screen supported on the dash while driving is prohibited because it is so distracting, but filling the car with touch screens to operate everything, including OEM GPS navigation is OK 
Even though there are lots of info on the screens, after a while I think the brain will learn where everything is and be able to filter the information and get just what it needs without being too distracting, the brain is very good at that, and the more info readily available with the less info hiding in menus you have to focus on to navigate through the better IMO.
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Ziggy:It looks amazing
What is weird from a product line-up though, is that it looks so much more modern than the Panamera/Cayenne/992 interior, which were released very recently.
Mission E represent the next generation of Porsches that's why.
It's a separate product line. Separate from the current Panamera/Cayenne/992.
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Carlos from Spain:Whoopsy:Can't wait till governments around the world finally wake up and ban dangerous touch screens in automobile.
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The U.S. Navy and NTSB thinks they're a problem:
The U.S. Navy has decided to convert the touch screens installed on its destroyer fleet back to mechanical controls after the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) cited them in the fatal collision between the USS John S McCain and tanker Alnic MC in 2017. They were also referenced in the collision report released after the USS Fitzgerald collided with the ACX Crystal container ship. While the reports dealt largely with crews being improperly trained on the system’s various functions, the complexity of the graphical interface was cited as a potential issue in itself.
https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/MAR1901.pdf
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Jim_in_Iowa:Carlos from Spain:Whoopsy:Can't wait till governments around the world finally wake up and ban dangerous touch screens in automobile.
+1
The U.S. Navy and NTSB thinks they're a problem:
The U.S. Navy has decided to convert the touch screens installed on its destroyer fleet back to mechanical controls after the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) cited them in the fatal collision between the USS John S McCain and tanker Alnic MC in 2017. They were also referenced in the collision report released after the USS Fitzgerald collided with the ACX Crystal container ship. While the reports dealt largely with crews being improperly trained on the system’s various functions, the complexity of the graphical interface was cited as a potential issue in itself.
https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/MAR1901.pdf
That’s a bit of a misrepresentation of the report and its findings on the use of displays for primary control systems. No automaker has replaced the steering wheel, brake pedal, or accelerator with a touchscreen; the same can’t be said about the USN and its ships. That’s what is said in report. Automobile touchscreen use is relegated to minor control functions that often recall only periodic adjustment. For example, how often does one need to adjust the climate control settings in a modern car? Most drivers seldom adjust temperature range during the course of a trip.
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Wonderbar:Pretty gloomy assessment, which my optimism and joy for life rejects. You can apply that assessment to anything really. Watches, fine clothes, nice houses, good schools, poetry, literature, music, poetry--anything of quality (which can only be defined by the absence of it). Why buy a Patek Philippe when a Timex of cell phone will do? Why a fine house when a B and B will do? Why go to Yale when an online course will do? Why read a poem if a news bite will do? Etc., etc.
I own a Porsche because it gives me great pleasure every moment I am in it, even if I drive around the block, and that goes for enjoying a owning every other thing of quality. Oscar Wilde says it best in The Artist when he traded the sorrow that endureth forever for the pleasure that abideth for a moment.
You are only a dying breed if you choose to be....
Good aerodynamics, probably. But strange looking (in this image)...
Re: Porsche Mission E...the future of Porsche?
This High Tech display is Porsche HQ's way to restore some service $$ for the Porsche dealer network. As EVs are mostly maintenance free, dealers will be losing a huge revenue stream on the Taycan. When these displays start to fail in older Taycans, I'm certain they will cost thousands of $$ or Euros to repair.
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Taycan sets a record at the Nürburgring-Nordschleife
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Re: Porsche Mission E...the future of Porsche?
It's not suppose to be faster than the Panamera.
Per the product lineup it is slotted below the Panamera so it is actually too fast already being only 4 seconds slower.
Since literally there isn't another EV sports sedan, the time is perfectly fine right now.
Some might argue a Tesla Model S is a sports sedan, but that car can't even o one lap of the Ring without going into limp mode, so that's not even I the same ballpark.
The electric motor is the performance bottleneck, but Porsche can't really do anything about it unless they do a 3-speed gearbox instead of the 2-speed right now. Electric motors run out of steam the high the rpm goes and to gain any meaningful speed at the top end it needs another gear.
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The only performance EV currently on the horizon that might have a chance getting close will be the Audi e-Tron GT, it will be based off the same Mission E platform though I believe. No one else have such an offering remotely close to getting produced.
Right now the Taycan is the only entry in the performance EV sedan segment.
It's pulling 1.3+g around corners and close to 1.6g in the Karussell. Jaw dropping numbers to be honest.
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Whoopsy:The only performance EV currently on the horizon that might have a chance getting close will be the Audi e-Tron GT, it will be based off the same Mission E platform though I believe. No one else have such an offering remotely close to getting produced.
Right now the Taycan is the only entry in the performance EV sedan segment.
It's pulling 1.3+g around corners and close to 1.6g in the Karussell. Jaw dropping numbers to be honest.
Porsche is also being very coy on mentioning which Taycan variant is being used for the various performance statistics. One would assume that it is the Turbo variant, but until it confirmed by Porsche it could as easily apply to the S variant.
The real advantage, as you have highlighted with the EV, is not top end speed but the ability to control and optimize torque at each wheel. Audi has a three electric machine version for its S designated variants in testing. That may debut on the e-tron or the e-tron sportback soon.
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The uneventfulness of a lap like that scares me. Agreed it's an impressive time, just don't know how it will captivate further generations the same way cars captivated us during our time...
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Porker:The uneventfulness of a lap like that scares me. Agreed it's an impressive time, just don't know how it will captivate further generations the same way cars captivated us during our time...
However it may have more appeal to the video game generation especially since it captures the pseudo-virtuous zero emissions and no sound values.
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CGX car nut:Whoopsy:The only performance EV currently on the horizon that might have a chance getting close will be the Audi e-Tron GT, it will be based off the same Mission E platform though I believe. No one else have such an offering remotely close to getting produced.
Right now the Taycan is the only entry in the performance EV sedan segment.
It's pulling 1.3+g around corners and close to 1.6g in the Karussell. Jaw dropping numbers to be honest.
Porsche is also being very coy on mentioning which Taycan variant is being used for the various performance statistics. One would assume that it is the Turbo variant, but until it confirmed by Porsche it could as easily apply to the S variant.
The real advantage, as you have highlighted with the EV, is not top end speed but the ability to control and optimize torque at each wheel. Audi has a three electric machine version for its S designated variants in testing. That may debut on the e-tron or the e-tron sportback soon.
It should be the Turbo S variant. Porsche doesn't do shit half heartedly 
Last time they took a sedan to set Ring time it was the Panamera Turbo S at 7:38. When they set the SUV record it was the Cayenne Turbo S.
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