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    Re: Tuthill enters restomod arena with 911K

    For comparison purposes Singer is 990kg, 4.0L 500hp, 9300rpm


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    Re: Tuthill enters restomod arena with 911K

    I think you guys will hate me for saying this but these cars are...not Porsches in my opinion. angry yes


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    Re: Tuthill enters restomod arena with 911K

    RC:

    I think you guys will hate me for saying this but these cars are...not Porsches in my opinion. angry yes

    Indeed, we do hate you for remarks like that.


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    Re: Tuthill enters restomod arena with 911K

    RC:

    I think you guys will hate me for saying this but these cars are...not Porsches in my opinion. angry yes

    I was wondering what you would think of these restomods knowing that you have said many times how you like new technology and are not so keen on the older stuff...."not Porsches" is pretty extreme though indecision


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    Re: Tuthill enters restomod arena with 911K

    Actually I do think the same way as RC.

    Run started off doing pretty much the same thing, but he at least gone through the process and got certified as a manufacturer, and the cars aren't Ruf Porsche, they are just Ruf. 

    If I were to 'restore' the Mona Lisa, and I decided that I need to change the eye colour to a different colour, and different lipstick colour also. Maybe change her clothes and paint a different set on her, is that still a Mona Lisa anymore?

     

     


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    Re: Tuthill enters restomod arena with 911K

    Paying hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars for the restoration of old Porsches is for people who have more money than they know what to do with the hope that later another rich person will pay twice as much for the car..​​​​​​

    Personally, I agree with Christian and Nick. Because someone calls it a duck doesn't mean it's a duck.Smiley
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    Re: Tuthill enters restomod arena with 911K

    I’m sort of willing to give 911 restomods some leeway that I wouldn’t give front or mid engine cars. If you like the driving dynamics of rear engine (I don’t) and want a better power to weight ratio than what the original cars offer, this is a nice way to do it. A million? Not worth it to me, but what other options are there?

    With front or mid engine, I think you could find a different make or model that met your brief. 911? As they say, “…no substitute.”


    Re: Tuthill enters restomod arena with 911K

    I don't know, I am in the camp of why mess with the originals.

    Whatever the year or the generation of 911s, whatever power was delivered from the factory, that's what in the design parameters. 

    If we add more power to that particular car, that means the 'design', the 'idea' of that particular car is gone. 

    Whenever I drive my old Porsches, I never once thought I needed more power in any one of them. The chassis was designed with that particular power budget in mind, and if I add a good deal more, or making the car stick more with suspension mods and tire mods, I will be screwing the chassis balance, and it wouldn't be what the car is anymore.

    In my younger years, I was all in on car mods. I had a supercharger installed on my Honda 4 banger before, thought it was awesome and cool, but all it does was just screwing with on throttle traction. The car just can't handle the extra power and whenever I press the throttle, I am just getting horrible understeer as the front tire are just spinning and not gripping. I mean it's fast in the straight line but that's about it.

    Didn't learn from that and then I had a SVT Mustang Cobra, pop another supercharger into it to boost it to a claimed 500hp, it was spectacular in a straight line, but oh boy, it spins the rear wheel more so than stock and the car literally just fish tail all over. Not to mention my range was cut by a 1/3 because of the extra extra fuel consumption. But then again gas back then was really cheap, like 40 cents Canadian a litre and I had swapped in a 100 litre racing foam filled gas tank. But pain in the ass to have to replace rear tires every 4000km or so. 

     

     


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    Re: Tuthill enters restomod arena with 911K

    I don't mind if it's not a "Porsche".  I'd still prefer a Singer DLS, Ruf RGT, Tuthill 911K, or my own 73 hotrod over a "Porsche".

    As far as a vintage 911 being perfectly matched to a particular power level, for Model Year 1973 you could have any of the following models built on the same chassis with some minor tweeks among them:

    1.  911T 140hp

    2.  911E 160hp

    3.  911S 190hp

    4.  911 Carrera RS 2.7 210hp

    5.  911 Carrera RSR 2.8 305hp


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    Re: Tuthill enters restomod arena with 911K

    And what's difference there were for a 240hp 911T vs a 305hp RSR? 

    It's not just the engine.............


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    Re: Tuthill enters restomod arena with 911K

    Whoopsy:

    And what's difference there were for a 240hp 911T vs a 305hp RSR? 

    It's not just the engine.............

    There is almost no difference in the chassis between the 140hp 911T and the chassis with 50% more power in the RS (small rear fender flares butt welded to wheel arches and some thinner/lighter body panels in RS).

    Biggest chassis difference was to RSR, but was still relatively mild change (coilover suspension and wider front and rear welded on fender flares).


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    Re: Tuthill enters restomod arena with 911K

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    RC:

    I think you guys will hate me for saying this but these cars are...not Porsches in my opinion. angry yes

    I was wondering what you would think of these restomods knowing that you have said many times how you like new technology and are not so keen on the older stuff...."not Porsches" is pretty extreme though indecision

    I like new tech, no doubt but I'm not a fan of restomods, it just looks silly to me. Smiley

    Same silliness when people modify an old ICE engined car with EV tech or build a retro style EV. Maybe interesting as a show car but completely pointless as a product per se in my opinion.


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    Re: Tuthill enters restomod arena with 911K

    Whoopsy:

    I don't know, I am in the camp of why mess with the originals.

    Whatever the year or the generation of 911s, whatever power was delivered from the factory, that's what in the design parameters. 

    If we add more power to that particular car, that means the 'design', the 'idea' of that particular car is gone. 

    Whenever I drive my old Porsches, I never once thought I needed more power in any one of them. The chassis was designed with that particular power budget in mind, and if I add a good deal more, or making the car stick more with suspension mods and tire mods, I will be screwing the chassis balance, and it wouldn't be what the car is anymore.

    In my younger years, I was all in on car mods. I had a supercharger installed on my Honda 4 banger before, thought it was awesome and cool, but all it does was just screwing with on throttle traction. The car just can't handle the extra power and whenever I press the throttle, I am just getting horrible understeer as the front tire are just spinning and not gripping. I mean it's fast in the straight line but that's about it.

    Didn't learn from that and then I had a SVT Mustang Cobra, pop another supercharger into it to boost it to a claimed 500hp, it was spectacular in a straight line, but oh boy, it spins the rear wheel more so than stock and the car literally just fish tail all over. Not to mention my range was cut by a 1/3 because of the extra extra fuel consumption. But then again gas back then was really cheap, like 40 cents Canadian a litre and I had swapped in a 100 litre racing foam filled gas tank. But pain in the ass to have to replace rear tires every 4000km or so. 

    Nothing more to add, very well said. Smiley Smiley

    To be honest: If I had all the money in the world, I would probably build my own car (of course not me per se Smiley since I don't have a clue about engineering/developing cars) but I would contact a small manufacturer like Gordon Murray or even Koenigsegg, offer 20 Mio for my dream car and would spec/develop it together with them. Of course it would need to be based on an already developed product, otherwise the 20 Mio wouldn't suffice but I think something nice could come of of this. Or I would just use a company like Brabus or whatever to create the car of my dreams based on a certain basis. It wouldn't be a Mercedes, Porsche or whatever anymore though.


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